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BY MS. PLEVIN:

Q. DID YOU -- STRIKE THAT. AT THAT TIME WHO OR WHAT ENTITY WITHIN SCIENTOLOGY WOULD HAVE BEEN RESPONSIBLE FOR TAKING LEGAL ACTION WITH REGARD TO THE BUILDING IF SUCH WERE TO BE UNDERTAKEN?

MR. HERTZBERG: BEFORE YOU ANSWER THAT, I HAVE A PROBLEM, THE SAME PROBLEM WE HAD YESTERDAY WITH A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS WITH "WOULD HAVE BEEN." IF YOU WANT TO ASK HIM WHETHER SOMEBODY DID TAKE RESPONSIBILITY, IF HE KNOWS, THAT MAKES SOME SENSE. NOW YOU'RE ASKING HIM TO SPECULATE.

MS. PLEVIN: I'M NOT ASKING HIM TO SPECULATE.

MR. HERTZBERG: AND THERE'S ALSO --

BY MS. PLEVIN:

Q. WAS THERE AN ORGANIZATION OR ENTITY IN SCIENTOLOGY AT THAT TIME CHARGED WITH THE RESPONSIBILITY OF LOOKING AFTER THAT TYPE OF INTEREST SUCH AS FILING AN ACTION TO RECOVER POSSESSION AND TITLE OF THE BUILDING? A. I CAN GUESS. I WOULD GUESS -- IF HE WAS THE MISSION OF RIVERSIDE, I GUESS THE CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY MISSION OF RIVERSIDE; IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING ME?

Q. WELL, I DON'T WANT YOU TO GUESS.

A. OKAY.

Q. AT SOME POINT YOU BECAME AWARE THAT MR. CORYDON HAD FILED A LAWSUIT.

A. YES.

Q. TELL ME WHAT, PRECISELY, DID YOU BECOME AWARE OF?

A. WHAT DID I BECOME AWARE OF?

Q. UH-HUH. ANYTHING MORE DETAILED THAN THAT?

A. GENERALLY, THERE WAS AN ARGUMENT ABOUT THE BUILDING, THE OWNERSHIP OF THE BUILDING, WHERE HE WANTED TO KEEP IT. THAT'S ABOUT IT.

Q. AND IT'S YOUR UNDERSTANDING THAT HE COMMENCED THAT LAWSUIT?

A. ISN'T THAT WHAT IT WAS? I KNEW THERE WAS A DISPUTE ABOUT THE BUILDING.

Q. BUT YOU --

A. I THOUGHT IT WAS BENT'S LAWSUIT.

Q. IF YOU WANT ME TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION, I'LL TELL YOU --

MR. HERTZBERG: HE ANSWERED THAT QUESTION.

MR. DRESCHER: OBJECTION.

THE WITNESS: OKAY.

MR. HERTZBERG: HE TESTIFIED THAT THAT WAS HIS UNDERSTANDING, THAT THE FIRST SUIT WAS BROUGHT BY MR. CORYDON.

MS. PLEVIN: OKAY.

Q. WHAT WAS THE NEXT CONVERSATION YOU HAD WITH MS. AZANARAN IN CONNECTION WITH OR RELATING TO MR. CORYDON, WITH THE SAME CAVEATS AS BEFORE THAT WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY DEALING IN SEQUENCE?

A. OKAY. WHAT YEAR IS THIS NOW, ABOUT 1983?

Q. YES.

A. IS THAT GENERALLY WHERE WE ARE?

Q. EARLY '83. HOLD THERE FOR A MOMENT.

A. OKAY.

Q. AS TO THIS PARTICULAR CONVERSATION --

A. OKAY.

Q. -- WHERE MS. AZANARAN WAS RELATING THAT THERE WAS SOME LEGAL THINGS HAPPENING --

A. WELL, I DIDN'T -- WAIT. I DON'T REMEMBER SOME LEGAL THINGS HAPPENING; THAT WASN'T WHAT I SAID.

Q. CORRECT. WHERE MR. CORYDON HAD SEVERED TIES, AND THERE WAS AN ISSUE ABOUT THE BUILDING IN SOME RESPECT; THAT HE HAD --

A. OKAY, AS I STATED IT. AS LONG AS WE'RE --

Q. AS YOU STATED IT.

A. OKAY.

Q. THAT TOOK PLACE IN LOS ANGELES. YOU WEREN'T EXACTLY SURE WHERE. DO YOU KNOW --

A. NO, I DIDN'T SAY THAT.

MR. HELLER: THAT'S NOT THE TESTIMONY.

THE WITNESS: I DIDN'T SAY THAT. I SAID IT WAS GILMAN OR LOS ANGELES.

MS. PLEVIN: OKAY.

Q. AND I --

A. AND I SPECIFICALLY SAID THE CITY, TOO. I MEAN, IT COULD HAVE BEEN OVER DINNER. THE POINT IS THAT -- THE WHOLE POINT IS I REMEMBER HER TELLING ME ABOUT THIS. I COULDN'T TELL YOU HOW LONG AFTERWARDS IT WAS.

Q. OKAY.

A. I JUST KNOW THAT WAS WHAT IT WAS ABOUT.

Q. IS THIS THE CONVERSATION THAT YOU WERE REFERRING TO THAT YOU THINK PERHAPS MR. MARLOWE WAS PRESENT?

MR. HERTZBERG: NO.

THE WITNESS: NO, I THOUGHT YOU SAID IT WAS THE EARLIER ONE.

BY MS. PLEVIN:

Q. AS TO THIS CONVERSATION, DO YOU RECALL IF THERE WAS ANYONE ELSE PRESENT?

A. I'D HAVE TO GUESS.

MR. HERTZBERG: DON'T GUESS.

MS. PLEVIN: OKAY. NOW, LET'S MOVE FORWARD.

THE WITNESS: OKAY.

BY MS. PLEVIN:

Q. WHAT WAS THE NEXT CONVERSATION, TO THE BEST OF YOUR RECOLLECTION IN SEQUENCE, BUT NOT NECESSARILY IN SEQUENCE, IN WHICH THE NAME OF MR. CORYDON FIGURED?

A. LET ME ASK HIM SOMETHING.

(ATTORNEY-CLIENT DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD.)

THE WITNESS: THERE ARE SEVERAL OTHERS I CAN THINK OF, BUT I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT DATES.

MS. PLEVIN: OKAY.

THE WITNESS: OKAY.

MS. PLEVIN: THAT'S FINE.

THE WITNESS: I CAN GENERALLY PLACE THEM BY INCIDENT FOR YOU.

MS. PLEVIN: OKAY.

THE WITNESS: AND I DON'T -- THAT'S WHY I'M TRYING TO THINK, IS THIS 1983 OR 1984.

MS. PLEVIN: LET'S DO THEM BY INCIDENT OR HOWEVER YOU CAN REMEMBER.

THE WITNESS: GENERALLY, I CAN MERGE A BUNCH OF THEM.

MS. PLEVIN: OKAY.

THE WITNESS: THIS ISN'T ALL OF THEM, BUT A BUNCH OF THEM WOULD BE PRIOR TO ANY EVENT, A SCIENTOLOGY EVENT, THAT WAS BEING HELD WHERE VICKI WAS PRESENT.

MS. PLEVIN: I'M SORRY, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT.

THE WITNESS: DO YOU KNOW WHAT A SCIENTOLOGY EVENT IS?

MS. PLEVIN: YES.

Q. BUT YOU SAID ANY OF THESE WOULD HAVE BEEN PRIOR TO AN EVENT?

A. RIGHT. THE CONVERSATIONS WOULD HAVE BEEN PRIOR TO THAT EVENT ACTUALLY TAKING PLACE IN THAT TIME FRAME, A DAY OR TWO BEFOREHAND OR EVEN THE SAME DAY.

Q. OKAY.

A. ALL RIGHT.

Q. ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT A SPECIFIC EVENT?

A. ANY THAT VICKI WAS AT.

Q. ALL RIGHT.

A. IS THAT CLEAR?

Q. LET ME SEE IF I UNDERSTAND.

A. OKAY.

Q. YOU HAD SEVERAL CONVERSATIONS WITH MISS AZANARAN. YOU CAN'T PUT THEM EXACTLY IN ORDER --

A. RIGHT.

Q. -- BUT IT'S YOUR UNDERSTANDING THEY WOULD HAVE TAKEN PLACE AT ABOUT THE SAME TIME BUT PRIOR TO A SCIENTOLOGY EVENT.

A. NO. EXACTLY WHAT I MEAN IS SHE SPEAKING, I HEARD HER -- NOT THAT THAT WAS A CONVERSATION ABOUT BENT, WHERE THE NAME BENT CORYDON CAME UP WOULD HAVE BEEN PRIOR TO ONE OF THOSE EVENTS AND MANY OF THEM; IS THAT CLEAR? Q. NO. I'M NOT SURE WHETHER YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MS. AZANARAN TALKING ABOUT MR. CORYDON AT THE EVENT.

A. NO, I'M NOT.

Q. OKAY.

A. I DON'T KNOW THAT -- MAYBE SHE DID OR MAYBE SHE DIDN'T. THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. I'M TALKING ABOUT HER JUST SPEAKING, NOT A CONVERSATION, NOT A TWO-WAY COMMUNICATION.

Q. OKAY.

A. ALL RIGHT.

Q. BUT SPEAKING IN --

A. I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.

Q. OKAY.

A. VICKI AZANARAN USED TO SPEAK AT MANY OF THESE PUBLIC EVENTS, AND SHE WOULD OFTEN TALK ABOUT SQUIRRELS. AS A MATTER OF FACT, SHE'S THE ONLY PERSON I KNOW OF WHO EVER SPOKE ABOUT SQUIRRELS. I DON'T BELIEVE ANYBODY ELSE EVER DID BEFORE THAT, DURING THAT, OR AFTER THAT. BEFORE THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE WOULD BE A GENERAL TYPE OF SCHEDULE FOR THE EVENT, AND IT WOULD BE DISCUSSED. YOU KNOW, JUST GENERALLY, THESE CONVERSATIONS WERE JUST VICKI TALKING ABOUT SQUIRRELS AND HER DETEST FOR THEM, AND BENT'S NAME WOULD COME UP FROM TIME TO TIME ABOUT AN EXAMPLE OF CRIMINAL SQUIRRELS; HIS ALONG WITH, I GUESS, DAVID MAYO AS A SQUIRREL. SHE HAD A HEAVY DISTASTE.

I DON'T KNOW, DOES THAT DESCRIBE IT FOR YOU?

Q. YES, I THINK SO.

A. OKAY.

Q. WHO ELSE WAS PRESENT AT ANY ONE OF THESE PARTICULAR CONVERSATIONS, TO THE BEST OF YOUR RECOLLECTION?

A. NUMEROUS PEOPLE COULD HAVE BEEN. IT WAS JUST -- IT WASN'T ANYTHING FORMAL. I MEAN, IT'S JUST YOU'RE THERE, YOU KNOW. IT WAS JUST LIKE WANDERING AROUND. YOU KNOW, THE EVENT'S ABOUT TO START. YOU KNOW, JUST PEOPLE WERE AROUND. SO WHOEVER WAS AROUND AT THOSE EVENTS MIGHT OR MIGHT NOT HAVE HEARD IT.

Q. WERE THESE CONVERSATIONS? WHERE THESE OTHER EVENTS WERE BEING PLANNED, OR WERE THESE CONVERSATIONS WHERE PEOPLE WERE GETTING TOGETHER SORT OF LIKE BACK STAGE OR BEFORE THE EVENT TOOK PLACE? A. OKAY. YEAH. JUST SO WE'RE CLEAR OF WHEN AN EVENT IS, AN EVENT IS WHEN VARIOUS SCIENTOLOGISTS SPEAK TO OTHER SCIENTOLOGISTS.

Q. RIGHT.

A. AND OFTEN THEY TAKE PLACE ON A DATE THAT'S AN OFFICIAL DATE WITHIN SCIENTOLOGY; OKAY?

Q. RIGHT.

A. SOMETIMES THEY WOULD BE BACK STAGE OR SOMETIMES ON THE WAY IN AN AIRPLANE. SOMETIMES WE WOULD GET TOGETHER BEFORE WE WENT ON THE AIRPLANE TO THE EVENT AND DISCUSS THE AGENDA OF THE EVENT. IS THAT CLEAR? Q. YES. DO YOU RECALL A SPECIFIC INSTANCE WHERE YOU AND VICKI WERE ON A PLANE TOGETHER BEFORE AN EVENT AND DISCUSSED SUCH MATTERS?

A. MEANING ABOUT BENT CORYDON?

Q. YES.

A. NO.

Q. OR IN WHICH THE NAME BENT CORYDON CAME UP.

A. NO, I DON'T.

Q. DO YOU RECALL ANY ONE OF THESE SPECIFIC EVENTS?

A. YES.

Q. OKAY.

A. THERE WAS ONE EVENT, AND I BELIEVE IT WAS IN 19 -- I BELIEVE IT WAS IN 1984.

Q. WHAT WAS THAT?

A. NEAR THE END OF THE YEAR.

Q. UH-HUH.

A. I REMEMBER VICKI GIVING A VERY SERIOUS SPEECH ON THE SUBJECT OF FENCESITTERS AND GETTING OFF THE FENCE. IT WAS POSSIBLY AT THAT ONE OR AT ANOTHER ONE, INCLUDING THE SUBJECT OF. SQUIRRELS AND HOW THEY ALTER THE TECHNOLOGY AND HOW IT'S DISGRACEFUL THAT THEY DO THIS.

Q. WHAT WAS THAT --

A. NUMEROUS TIMES.

Q. WHAT WAS THE TITLE OF THAT FIRST EVENT WHERE FENCESITTERS WERE MENTIONED?

A. I COULDN'T TELL YOU. WE DIDN'T HAVE TITLES FOR THE EVENTS. I DON'T KNOW OF ANY TITLES FOR THE EVENTS. Q. DO YOU RECALL WHAT ORGANIZATION SPONSORED THE EVENT?

MR. HERTZBERG: IF ANY.

THE WITNESS: NO.

BY MS. PLEVIN:

Q. WHAT ABOUT THE NEXT ONE --

A. I DON'T RECALL THAT.

Q. SORRY.

A. THAT'S WHAT I MEAN. NO, I DON'T RECALL.

Q. OKAY.

MR. HERTZBERG: DISREGARD COUNSEL'S COMMENT.

BY MS. PLEVIN:

Q. DURING THIS PERIOD OF TIME, '83, '84, WHERE YOU HAD SEVERAL CONVERSATIONS --

A. UH-HUH.

Q. -- WITH MS. AZANARAN --

A. WELL, ON EVENTS. I MEAN, ANY TIME BEFORE AN EVENT I WOULD TAKE THAT UP TO -- CONVERSATIONS WITH HER BEFORE AN EVENT WOULD BE UP THROUGH 1986.

Q. OKAY.

A. OKAY.

Q. WE'LL COME BACK TO THAT ANOTHER WAY. THE NEXT CONVERSATION THAT YOU HAD IN WHICH THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION WITH MS. AZANARAN REGARDING BENT CORYDON OR IN WHICH HIS NAME CAME UP, TO THE BEST OF YOUR MEMORY. MR. LIEBERMAN: BY "THE NEXT" I TAKE IT YOU MEAN OTHER THAN THE SERIES OF CONVERSATIONS THAT HE SAID --

MS. PLEVIN: YES.

MR. LIEBERMAN: -- WENT ON THROUGH 1986?

THE WITNESS: JUST SO WE'RE CLEAR ON THAT, I BELIEVE THEY WENT ON THROUGH THE 1980'S. JUST TO MAKE IT CRYSTAL CLEAR, VICKI -(DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD.)

(RECORD READ.)

THE WITNESS: VICKI AZANARAN WOULD BE THE ONE WHO WOULD -- SHE WOULD MENTION IT. I MEAN, IT WASN'T A HOT SUBJECT OF INTEREST. PARTICULARLY -- YOU KNOW, IT WASN'T A HIGH TOPIC OF CONVERSATION. I MEAN, THERE WERE TIMES, MAYBE, WHEN BENT'S NAME WAS MENTIONED,

BUT IT WAS THE GENERAL SUBJECT OF SQUIRRELS. SHE HAD A VERY HIGH INTEREST IN THAT, WHICH -- I DON'T KNOW: I GUESS THE CONVERSATIONS WOULD BE SOMEWHAT SHORT BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T A COMMON TOPIC THAT EVERYONE WOULD SIT DOWN AND TALK ABOUT.

MS. PLEVIN: OKAY.

THE WITNESS: JUST SO I'M CLEAR.

MS. PLEVIN: OKAY.

Q. DOES THAT EXHAUST, ESSENTIALLY, THE NATURE OF YOUR COMMUNICATIONS WITH MS. AZANARAN IN WHICH THE SUBJECT OF MR. CORYDON AROSE IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER? MR. HERTZBERG: YOU MEAN EXHAUST HIS PRESENT RECOLLECTION?

MS. PLEVIN: HIS PRESENT RECOLLECTION.

THE WITNESS: NO, IT DOESN'T.

MS. PLEVIN: OKAY.

Q. TELL ME ABOUT WHAT -- THE NEXT ONE THAT YOU HAVEN'T MENTIONED SO FAR.

A. I REMEMBER THAT VICKI AZANARAN TOLD ME THAT BENT CORYDON WENT TO THE GILMAN HOT SPRINGS PROPERTY.

Q. I DON'T UNDERSTAND; THAT HE VISITED THERE? DO YOU RECALL WHAT SHE SAID?

A. YES, I DO.

Q. OKAY.

A. GENERALLY, THAT BENT CAME TO THE PROPERTY AND THAT HE WAS AT THE ENTRYWAY ATTEMPTING TO HARASS THE SECURITY PERSONNEL AND THE STAFF AT THE BASE AND THAT HE HAD COME THERE JUST FOR THE PURPOSES OF HARASSMENT. I THINK HE STOPPED HIS CAR, AND HE WAS THERE

UTTERLY TO HARASS.

AND WHAT SHE WAS COMMENTING ON WAS THAT -- SHE SAID, "IT'S JUST SO OUTRAGEOUS WHAT HE'S DOING BECAUSE ...... ON THE ONE HAND," SHE SAID, "BENT CLAIMS ALL THESE BAD THINGS ARE HIS WORRIES ABOUT THE CHURCH, AND HERE HE COMES JUST TO CAUSE TROUBLE, AND THE GUY IS OBVIOUSLY JUST A TROUBLEMAKER, AND IT'S SO RIDICULOUS WHAT HE'S DONE."

I BELIEVE SHE TOLD ME THAT THE SECURITY OR THE POLICE CAME AND HAD THE SECURITY GUARD ARREST BENT AND THAT TYPICAL OF BENT'S CHILDISH BEHAVIOR IS THAT HE IN TURN ARRESTED THE SECURITY GUARD AT THE PROPERTY WHICH IS PRIVATE PROPERTY THAT HE CAME TO HARASS EVERYBODY.

Q. THAT BENT ARRESTED A SECURITY GUARD?

A. YES, I THINK SHE SAID IN TURN THAT HE DID, A CITIZEN'S ARREST. Q. CAN YOU PLACE THIS ANY MORE CLEARLY IN TIME?

MR. HERTZBERG: DON'T GUESS.

MS. PLEVIN: DON'T GUESS.

THE WITNESS: OKAY. NO.

BY MS. PLEVIN:

Q. DO YOU RECALL IF THERE WAS ANYONE ELSE PRESENT?

MR. HERTZBERG: YOU MEAN WHEN SHE SPOKE TO MR. MISCAVIGE ABOUT THIS? MS. PLEVIN: YES, THANK YOU.

THE WITNESS: I'D HAVE TO GUESS.

BY MS. PLEVIN:

Q. DID YOU EVER HAVE ANY DISCUSSIONS WITH MS. -- STRIKE THAT.

DID THE SUBJECT OF BENT CORYDON EVER COME UP AT ANY MEETINGS THAT YOU HAD WITH MS. AZANARAN AND OTHERS?

MR. HERTZBERG: WELL, I THOUGHT WE'VE BEEN --

MS. PLEVIN: AT ANY TIME.

MR. HERTZBERG: I THOUGHT THAT THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN GOING INTO IN EXCRUCIATING DETAIL FOR THE LAST HOUR AND A HALF. MR. HELLER: YEAH.

MR. HERTZBERG: ISN'T THAT COMPREHENDED BY ALL OF YOUR PRIOR QUESTIONS?

MS. PLEVIN: NOT EXACTLY. I THINK MOSTLY THE PRIOR DISCUSSIONS WERE WITH REGARD TO TWO-WAY COMMUNICATION BETWEEN MR. MISCAVIGE AND MS. AZANARAN WITH THE POSSIBILITY OF ANOTHER PERSON BEING PRESENT. I'M NOW ASKING WHETHER OR NOT ANY OF THESE CONVERSATIONS TOOK PLACE IN THE CONTEXT OF A MEETING WITH OTHER PEOPLE.

MR. HERTZBERG: ALL RIGHT. YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT ANY OF THE CONVERSATIONS THAT HE'S DESCRIBED HERETOFORE?

MS. PLEVIN: YES.

MR. LIEBERMAN: I JUST WANT TO OBJECT TO THE CHARACTERIZATION AS TWO-WAY COMMUNICATIONS. I HAVEN'T HEARD ANY TESTIMONY OR VERY MUCH TESTIMONY WITH RESPECT TO THESE AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THEY WERE TWO-WAY. I'VE HEARD A LOT OF TESTIMONY AS TO WHAT MS. AZANARAN SAID.

MR. HELLER: I WOULD OBJECT ON ASKED AND ANSWERED AS WELL. BASICALLY, I THINK ON EACH OF THESE CONVERSATIONS YOU'VE ASKED HIM, "WAS THERE SOMEONE ELSE THERE?" THEN YOU'VE ASKED ABOUT WHETHER THERE WAS A MEETING OR NOT. HE'S ASKED YOU TO DEFINE THE TERM "MEETING."

MR. HERTZBERG: LET ME SEE IF I -- YOU CAN ASK IT ANY WAY YOU WANT TO, BUT LET ME SEE IF I CAN CLARIFY IT SO WE CAN MOVE ON. I BELIEVE MISS PLEVIN WANTS TO KNOW WHETHER IN ANY OF THE CONVERSATIONS THAT VICKI AZANARAN HAD WITH YOU, AND THAT YOU'VE DESCRIBED, IT WAS IN THE CONTEXT OF A MEETING WITH OTHER PEOPLE.

THE WITNESS: OKAY.

MR. HERTZBERG: IS THE ANSWER NO? THE WITNESS: NO.

BY MS. PLEVIN:

Q. DID YOU EVER HAVE -- WERE YOU EVER PRESENT AT ANY MEETINGS WITH MS. AZANARAN AT WHICH THE SUBJECT OF SQUIRRELS WAS DISCUSSED?

A. WHAT DO YOU MEAN "THE SUBJECT OF SQUIRRELS WAS DISCUSSED"? I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY WHAT YOU MEAN BY "DISCUSSED" AND "THE SUBJECT OF SQUIRRELS." Q. WHAT TO DO ABOUT SQUIRRELS.

MR. HERTZBERG: YOU CAN ANSWER THAT.

THE WITNESS: OH, I MISSED THE QUESTION. I'M SORRY. WHAT DID YOU SAY?

BY MS. PLEVIN:

Q. WHAT TO DO ABOUT SQUIRRELS.

A. WHAT TO DO ABOUT SQUIRRELS?

Q. YES.

A. YES.

Q. DO YOU RECALL APPROXIMATELY WHEN THAT WAS?

A. 1984 OR 1985.

Q. AND WHERE WAS IT? WHERE DID THIS TAKE PLACE?

A. I BELIEVE AT THE COMPLEX. I THINK AT THE COMPLEX.

Q. IN LOS ANGELES?

A. YES.

Q. DO YOU RECALL WHO ELSE WAS PRESENT?

(ATTORNEY-CLIENT DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD.)

THE WITNESS: I'M NOT SURE IF THIS IS ALL, BUT I THINK JESSE PRINCE AND RICK AZANARAN WERE ALSO PRESENT.

BY MS. PLEVIN:

Q. WHAT WAS THE NATURE OF THE MEETING?

A. OKAY, JUST TO DEFINE "MEETING," I'M DEFINING MEETING AS ANY GROUP OF TWO OR MORE PEOPLE WHO HAPPEN TO BE IN CONVERSATION THAT WASN'T AN OFFICIAL PREARRANGED MEETING. AS A MATTER OF FACT, IN THIS INSTANCE, I HAD JUST DROPPED BY HER OFFICE BECAUSE I WAS IN LOS ANGELES. YOU KNOW, "HOW'RE YOU DOING?" STEP IN SAY, "HI."

Q. THIS TOOK PLACE AT HER OFFICE?

A. YES.

Q. OKAY. AND YOU CAME BY HER OFFICE AND JESSE PRINCE AND RICK AZANARAN WERE PRESENT IN HER OFFICE AT THAT TIME?

A. OR AROUND THE OFFICE, BUT THE WAY THE OFFICE WAS SET UP, I MEAN, YOU'D WALK THROUGH AN OFFICE INTO AN OFFICE AND ACTUALLY DOWN A HALLWAY. SO AT ANY RATE THEY ENDED UP -- THEY DID END UP GATHERING IN THERE. I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE ABOUT RICK AZANARAN; I THINK. I'LL GIVE IT A 90 PERCENT THAT JESSE WAS THERE. I THINK RICK WAS, TOO, POSSIBLY, BUT THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT RING A BELL.

Q. TO THE BEST OF YOUR RECOLLECTION, WHAT WAS THE SUBSTANCE OF THE CONVERSATION REGARDING SQUIRRELS? A. THE SUBSTANCE OF THE CONVERSATION REGARDING SQUIRRELS WAS --

(ATTORNEY-CLIENT DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD.)

THE WITNESS: OKAY. THIS IS NOT NOW ABOUT -- I DON'T BELIEVE BENT'S NAME WAS MENTIONED.

MR. HERTZBERG: THAT'S THE CONFUSION MR. MISCAVIGE HAD.

MS. PLEVIN: I DIDN'T ASK --

MR. HERTZBERG: I TOLD HIM I THOUGHT YOU WERE ASKING THE GENERAL QUESTION.

MS. PLEVIN: THAT'S CORRECT.

THE WITNESS: THE GENERAL -- THE TOPIC WAS ABOUT THE AAC AND THAT'S THE ADVANCED ABILITY CENTER AND DAVID MAYO SQUIRREL GROUP.

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