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BY MS. PLEVIN:

Q. DO YOU RECALL ANY OTHER COMMUNICATIONS WITH MISS AZANARAN AT ANY TIME REGARDING MR. CORYDON? A. YES.

Q. LET'S TAKE THE NEXT ONE.

A. THESE ARE A LITTLE TOUGH FOR ME TO GIVE, YOU JUST SO I'M CLEAR. I MEAN --

Q. YOU'RE NOT COMMITTING TO EXACT SEQUENCE.

A. EXACTLY. I MEAN, THIS IS - YOU'VE GOT TO UNDERSTAND I'M GOING BACK. THIS IS NOT A BIG DEAL LIKE YOU MIGHT THINK IT IS BECAUSE YOU'RE OBVIOUSLY DEALING WITH BENT. TO ME, IT'S JUST ANOTHER THING. SO IF I MISS ONE, I'LL LET YOU KNOW IF I REMEMBER IT. JUST

SO I'M CLEAR TO THAT.

(DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD.)

MR. HERTZBERG: MISS PLEVIN HAS SUGGESTED THAT WE BREAK FOR LUNCH NOW. HOW LONG DO YOU WANT TO TAKE, MISS PLEVIN?

MS. PLEVIN: I'VE GOT 25 AFTER 12:00. WHY DON'T WE RECONVENE AT QUARTER AFTER 1:00?

MR. HERTZBERG: THAT'S FINE. AGAIN, IT IS OUR POSITION THAT WE WANT TO GET THROUGH THIS TODAY? IN FACT, WE HAVE TO GET THROUGH IT TODAY. LET'S RECONVENE AT THAT TIME. MS. PLEVIN: OKAY.

(AT 12:25 P.M., THE DEPOSITION WAS ADJOURNED FOR NOON RECESS.)

(AT 1:20 P.M., THE DEPOSITION OF DAVID MISCAVIGE WAS RECONVENED.)

MS. PLEVIN: I ASKED THE COURT REPORTER OVER LUNCH TO CHECK WITH HER OFFICE TO SEE IF THE OFFICE COULD SEND ANOTHER COURT REPORTER AT 5:00 O'CLOCK, SINCE THIS COURT REPORTER CANNOT STAY LATE, AS PREPARATORY TO THE POSSIBILITY OF ASKING YOU WHETHER OR NOT YOU WOULD BE WILLING TO STAY LATE SO THAT WE CAN CONCLUDE, IF IT APPEARS THAT WE CAN.

MR. HERTZBERG: WHAT ARE YOU -- YES. JUST TO GET A ROUGH IDEA, WHAT DO YOU CONSIDER TO BE THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT YOU'LL NEED BEYOND 5:00?

MS. PLEVIN: I DON'T KNOW. IT'S QUITE POSSIBLE THAT, DEPENDING ON HOW WE MOVE, WE COULD FINISH. I DON'T KNOW. I'LL KNOW CLOSER TO 5:00 O'CLOCK WHETHER THERE'S A STRONG POSSIBILITY OF OUR FINISHING IF WE STAY LATE OR 4:00 O'CLOCK WHEN SHE CALLS HER OFFICE BACK TO SEE IF THEY'VE GOT SOMEONE.

MR. HERTZBERG: HANG ON A SECOND.

MR. HELLER: ARE YOU SAYING AT THIS STAGE, YOU DON'T THINK THERE'S A POSSIBILITY YOU COULD FINISH BY 5:00? MS. PLEVIN: I THINK IT'S HIGHLY UNLIKELY.

MR. HERTZBERG: ALL RIGHT. LET'S PROCEED.

MS. PLEVIN: NO RESPONSE?

MR. HERTZBERG: LET'S PROCEED. MAYBE WE'LL EVEN FINISH BY 5:00, AND IT WILL OBVIATE THE NEED FOR RELIEF. LET'S MOVE ON.

EXAMINATION (CONTINUED)

BY MS. PLEVIN:

Q. ALL RIGHT. MR. MISCAVIGE, WE WERE DISCUSSING YOUR CONVERSATIONS WITH VICKI AZANARAN IN WHICH THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION REGARDING BENT CORYDON. YOU HAD GIVEN US ONE. DO YOU NEED TO BE REFRESHED BY THE COURT REPORTER AS TO WHAT THAT WAS? SO WE CAN MOVE ON FROM THERE.

A. YES, I DO.

THE REPORTER: I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU WANT ME TO READ BACK.

BY MS. PLEVIN:

Q. OKAY. I BELIEVE YOU PLACED IT IN TIME AT APPROXIMATELY THE SAME TIME AS THE OCTOBER 17, '82, MISSIONHOLDERS CONFERENCE IN SAN FRANCISCO. A. DID I TELL ONE CONVERSATION SO FAR?

Q. THAT'S ALL.

A. OKAY. NOW I DON'T NEED TO BE REFRESHED.

Q. OKAY.

MR. HERTZBERG: OKAY.

(ATTORNEY-CLIENT DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD.)

BY MS. PLEVIN:

Q. SO WHAT WAS THE NEXT CONVERSATION, TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THAT YOU'VE STATED FOR THE RECORD THAT YOU'RE NOT NECESSARILY PUTTING THEM IN EXACT SEQUENCE, WHICH WE UNDERSTAND?

A. ALL RIGHT. SOMETIME SHORTLY AFTER THE MISSIONHOLDERS CONVENTION IN SAN FRANCISCO, MAYBE TWO WEEKS, A MONTH, EVEN UP TO A MONTH AND A HALF.

Q. TO THE BEST OF YOUR RECOLLECTION, WHAT WAS THE SUBSTANCE OF THAT DISCUSSION AS IT RELATED TO MR. CORYDON?

A. GENERALLY, IT WAS ABOUT THE MISSIONHOLDERS AND THAT SHE HAD HEARD ABOUT THE MISSIONHOLDERS CONFERENCE, AND SHE WAS STILL OF THE OPINION THAT ALL OF THESE GUYS SHOULD JUST BE -- MEANING .... ALL THESE GUYS," MEANING THE MISSIONHOLDERS SHOULD JUST BE DECLARED, AND A COMMENT ABOUT JUST HER EXPERIENCES WITH THE MISSIONHOLDERS, IN WHICH SHE INCLUDED BENT, ALONG THE SIMILAR LINES THAT I MENTIONED EARLIER. SHE HAD NASTY THINGS TO SAY ABOUT THEM. OBVIOUSLY, THAT THEY WERE SCUMBAGS, SLEAZEBAGS, YOU KNOW, MONEY-MOTIVATED, MONEY-GRUBBING; THOSE WERE THINGS SHE COMMENTED ON.

AND HER KNOWLEDGE OR FRIENDSHIP -- I DON'T KNOW -- I CAN'T RECALL EXACTLY HOW SHE KNEW BENT. I DON'T KNOW IF SHE WORKED WITH BENT OR KNEW HIM THROUGH DEAN STOKES OR A MISSION SHE WORKED AT, BUT SHE, PERSONALLY -- DO I WAIT FOR THIS? MR. HERTZBERG: NO.

MS. PLEVIN: IT CAN CREATE CONFUSION. LET'S JUST MAKE SURE WHO IT IS.

(DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD.)

MS. PLEVIN: PLEASE CONTINUE.

THE WITNESS: -- AND THAT HER GENERAL OPINION, FROM HER HAVING DEALT WITH THE MISSION PEOPLE WHO WORKED IN MISSIONS OR MISSIONHOLDERS OR THE MISSION SHE WAS WORKING AT, WAS THAT THESE PEOPLE, AS A GENERAL WHOLE, WEREN'T REALLY DEDICATED TO SCIENTOLOGY; THAT THEY WERE DILETTANTES, AND THAT THEIR MOTIVE WAS NOT NECESSARILY TOWARDS THE GOALS AND PURPOSES OF SCIENTOLOGY, BUT THROUGH THOSE GOALS AND PURPOSES AND THE POPULARITY OF SCIENTOLOGY TO BENEFIT PERSONALLY OF WHICH SHE INCLUDED BENT CORYDON IN THAT CONTEXT.

MS. PLEVIN: I WANT THE RECORD TO BE CLEAR, MR. MISCAVIGE, BECAUSE PREVIOUSLY YOU USED AN INFLICTION INTENDING TO INDICATE A QUOTATION FROM VICKI AZANARAN.

Q. DID SHE USE THE WORD TO YOU "SCUMBAG" OR "SLEAZEBAG" IN REFERRING TO MR. CORYDON?

A. YES, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS JUST BENT CORYDON, BUT DEFINITELY IN REGARDS TO HIM.

Q. INCLUDING HIM, FOR EXAMPLE, AS A MISSIONHOLDER, OR DID SHE SAY -- WOULD IT BE MORE ACCURATE TO SAY TEAT SHE SAID THE MISSIONHOLDERS ARE SCUMBAGS OR SLEAZEBAGS? A. NO, THAT WOULDN'T BE ACCURATE. IT WOULD BE ACCURATE TO THE PEOPLE SHE KNEW.

Q. THE MISSIONHOLDERS --

A. SHE KNEW PERSONALLY.

Q. -- SHE KNEW PERSONALLY?

A. YEAH. I COULDN'T TELL YOU ALL OF THEM THAT SHE KNEW. I DO REMEMBER PARTICULARLY DEAN STOKES, WHO I SAY I THINK SHE WAS MARRIED TO HIM, AND BENT, AND I BELIEVE SHE KNEW ALAN WALTERS. I DON'T KNOW IF SHE KNEW HIM AS A MISSIONHOLDER, AND I THINK POSSIBLY THAT WAS ALL I EVER HEARD THAT SHE ACTUALLY KNEW PERSONALLY.

BUT IT WAS IN REFERENCE TO, YEAH, PERSONAL KNOWLEDGE OF PEOPLE; AND, GENERALLY, IN REGARDS TO THE MISSIONHOLDERS, I WOULD ATTRIBUTE THAT STATEMENT TO THESE PEOPLE SHE KNEW AND AS A CARRY-OVER TO MISSIONHOLDERS IN GENERAL ON DILETTANTISM. Q. DID YOU RESPOND IN ANY WAY TO WHAT MISS AZANARAN SAID TO YOU?

A. "REALLY?"

Q. OKAY, THAT'S WHAT YOU SAID.

A. YEAH, I MEAN. IT WAS --

Q. SORT OF LIKE --

A. I MEAN, JUST, YOU KNOW -- SHE -- I THINK IT'S OBVIOUS BY WHAT I TOLD YOU SHE SAID. I MEAN, SHE, YOU KNOW, PERSONALLY --

MR. HERTZBERG: SHE'S JUST ASKING YOU YOUR RESPONSE.

THE WITNESS: YEAH, THAT WAS ABOUT IT.

BY MS. PLEVIN:

Q. DID YOU AGREE WITH HER?

A. NO, I DIDN'T KNOW. I MEAN, SHE, OBVIOUSLY -- DID I AGREE WITH HER?

MR. HELLER: IF YOU HAD ANY OPINION.

THE WITNESS: IT WASN'T EVEN A MATTER OF AGREEING. I MEAN, SHE WAS TELLING ME HER VIEWPOINT ON THESE PEOPLE. I CERTAINLY -- WELL, ON ONE POINT I CERTAINLY DIDN'T AGREE; THAT WE SHOULD JUST GO AND SEE THE MISSIONHOLDERS AND THAT ALL THE MISSIONHOLDERS SHOULD BE JUST DECLARED; I ABSOLUTELY DISAGREED WITH THAT. AS A MATTER OF FACT, I WASN'T OF THE OPINION THAT ANY OF THEM SHOULD BE DECLARED.

BY MS. PLEVIN:

Q. WHERE DID THIS CONVERSATION TAKE PLACE? A. I THINK IT WAS AT GILMAN HOT SPRINGS. Q. FACE TO FACE?

A. YES.

Q. ANYBODY ELSE PRESENT?

A. I CAN'T RECALL.

Q. ANYONE ELSE PRESENT AT YOUR EARLIER CONVERSATION?

MR. HERTZBERG: WHAT EARLIER CONVERSATION?

MS. PLEVIN: WITH MISS AZANARAN, THE FIRST ONE YOU DESCRIBED FOR US.

THE WITNESS: POSSIBLY. POSSIBLY STEVE MARLOWE; THAT'S WHO COMES TO MIND. BY MS. PLEVIN:

Q. WAS THAT IN A MEETING OF SOME KIND?

A. WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY "A MEETING OF SOME KIND"?

Q. A SCHEDULED MEETING.

A. NO.

Q. A PLANNED MEETING.

A. NO.

Q. WHAT WAS MR. MARLOWE'S POSITION AT THE TIME, IF YOU RECALL?

A. HE ALSO WAS, I BELIEVE, EMPLOYED BY RTC, AND AT THAT-TIME -- NO, I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW. I KNOW THAT THEY WERE -- I DON'T KNOW. I'M SORRY. I CAN'T RECALL.

Q. THE NEXT CONVERSATION WITH MISS AZANARAN, TO THE BEST THAT YOU RECALL, REGARDING MR. CORYDON.

MR. HERTZBERG: WELL, AGAIN, I THINK JUST SO THE RECORD IS CLEAR, I THINK MR. MISCAVIGE HAS MADE IT CLEAR THAT UNLESS HE STATES OTHERWISE, THE CONVERSATIONS ARE NOT ABOUT BENT CORYDON. THEY ARE CONVERSATIONS IN WHICH MR. CORYDON'S NAME MAY HAVE BEEN EITHER

MENTIONED OR SUBSUMED.

MS. PLEVIN: CORRECT. UNDERSTOOD.

MR. HERTZBERG: I JUST DON'T WANT A MISUNDERSTANDING ON THE RECORD.

THE WITNESS: THE NEXT CONVERSATION WOULD HAVE TAKEN PLACE --

MR. HELLER: WELL, THE OTHER MISUNDERSTANDING -- EXCUSE ME -- TO BE HONEST, I THINK YOU SAID THAT THESE WEREN'T NECESSARILY CHRONOLOGICAL. THE WITNESS: I'M TRYING TO THINK --

MS. PLEVIN: THAT'S BEEN CLARIFIED FOR THE RECORD.

THE WITNESS: I'M TRYING TO THINK CHRONOLOGICALLY JUST SO I'M CLEAR, BUT --

MS. PLEVIN: SURE.

THE WITNESS: IF I MISS ONE HERE OR THERE --

MS. PLEVIN: OKAY.

THE WITNESS: OKAY. THE NEXT CONVERSATION. LET ME JUST ASK YOU SOMETHING.

(ATTORNEY-CLIENT DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD.)

THE WITNESS: OKAY. THE NEXT CONVERSATION THAT I DON'T REMEMBER THE DATE IS SOMETIME AFTER BENT ANNOUNCED HIMSELF AS A SQUIRREL, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING OF THIS CONVERSATION WITH VICKI, AND AFTER HE, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING FROM THIS CONVERSATION WITH VICKI, EXECUTED AN ILLEGAL CORPORATE SWITCH-OVER OF HIS BUILDING, HIS MISSION BUILDING, AND ALSO SOME OTHER ILLEGAL CORPORATE, SHENANIGANS. I DON'T KNOW THE DATE.

BY MS. PLEVIN:

Q. DID MISS AZANARAN TELL YOU THAT MR. CORYDON HAD ANNOUNCED HIMSELF TO BE A SQUIRREL? A. I DON'T RECALL IF SHE PUT IT THAT WAY.

Q. IT WAS YOUR UNDERSTANDING THAT BY HIS ACTIONS HE WAS A SQUIRREL?

A. NO. I'M RELAYING WHAT TOOK PLACE IN THAT CONVERSATION.

Q. OKAY. FROM WHAT MS. AZANARAN SAID, WHETHER YOU EXPRESSED THIS TO HER OR NOT, WAS IT YOUR UNDERSTANDING THAT MR. CORYDON WAS A SQUIRREL?

A. YES.

Q. ANYTHING ELSE THAT TRANSPIRED IN THAT CONVERSATION?

A. SHE BASICALLY TOLD ME THAT BENT CORYDON HAD A RIVERSIDE MISSION AND THAT HE HAD SOMEHOW TRANSFERRED THE BUILDING, I THINK, INTO HIS NAME. I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S EXACTLY HOW IT WENT -- INTO HIS NAME PERSONALLY AND HAD LEFT THE CHURCH OR RESIGNED.

AND THE OTHER PART WAS HER COMMENT TO ME THAT, "I TOLD YOU YOU SHOULD NEVER TRUST THESE GUYS. THIS GUY IS A COMPLETE CRIMINAL. HE'S NOW RIPPED OFF THIS BUILDING. I TOLD YOU BEFORE THAT THESE GUYS ARE ONLY INTERESTED IN THEIR OWN MONEY AND BACK POCKET. NOW

THIS GUY HAS TAKEN THE BUILDING BECAUSE HE WAS ONLY INTERESTED IN HIS OWN PRIVATE GAIN, AND HE'S A SQUIRREL AND" -- OH, AND, YOU KNOW, "CAN YOU BELIEVE," YOU KNOW, "PEOPLE IN, GENERAL." I THINK IT WASN'T BENT; I MEAN, THAT "THEY'RE DELUSORY. THEY THINK THAT THEY ARE THE POWER OF SCIENTOLOGY AS A SUBJECT, AND THAT THEY'RE PARASITES, AND THEY DON'T REALIZE THIS"; THAT WAS BASICALLY IT.

Q. WHERE DID THIS CONVERSATION TAKE PLACE?

A. EITHER IN LOS ANGELES OR GILMAN HOT SPRINGS.

Q. WHEN YOU SAY, "LOS ANGELES," ARE YOU REFERRING TO THE CEDARS OF LEBANON COMPLEX OR THE BLUE BUILDINGS? A. NO, I'M REFERRING TO THE CITY.

Q. WOULD IT HAVE BEEN AT THE BLUE BUILDINGS?

A. I DON'T RECALL.

Q. DID SHE HAVE AN OFFICE THERE, DO YOU RECALL?

A. AT THAT TIME I DON'T RECALL, NO.

Q. DID YOU HAVE AN OFFICE IN LOS ANGELES AT THAT TIME?

A. YES.

Q. WHERE WAS THAT?

A. THAT WAS IN LOS ANGELES.

Q. DO YOU RECALL THE ADDRESS?

A. I BELIEVE -- I'D HAVE TO GET THE DATE ON THIS. NO, I DON'T RECALL EXACTLY WHERE IT WAS AT THAT TIME, NO.

Q. BASED ON YOUR -- TO THE BEST OF YOUR RECOLLECTION, DID THIS CONVERSATION TAKE PLACE BEFORE OR AFTER A LAWSUIT HAD BEEN FILED AGAINST MR. CORYDON AND HIS GROUP? A. I HAVE NO RECOLLECTION OF ANY OF THAT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN BY THAT EVEN.

Q. OKAY. WELL, ARE YOU AWARE THAT A LAWSUIT WAS FILED?

MR. HERTZBERG: A LAWSUIT?

MS. PLEVIN: IN THE END OF 1982, FILED ON DECEMBER 31, 1982. OF COURSE, YOU WOULDN'T NECESSARILY KNOW THAT.

MR. HERTZBERG: WELL --

MS. PLEVIN: AGAINST MR. CORYDON INDIVIDUALLY AND THE GROUP THAT HE AND THE OTHER INDIVIDUALS WHO WERE ASSOCIATED WITH HIM HAD FORMED CALLED CHURCH OF SCIOLOGOS DEALING WITH THE ISSUES YOU DISCUSSED PREVIOUSLY THAT MS. AZANARAN DISCUSSED WITH YOU. THE WITNESS: I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT BENT CORYDON HAD SUED THE CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY; IS THAT WHAT YOU MEAN? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT?

MS. PLEVIN: NO.

THE WITNESS: OKAY. THEN I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

BY MS. PLEVIN:

Q. A LAWSUIT WAS FILED --

A. THIS ONE? THIS LAWSUIT?

Q. NO, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THIS LAWSUIT.

A. OKAY.

Q. WE'RE BACK AT THE END OF 1982.

A. OKAY.

Q. I'M TRYING TO PUT THE CONTEXT OF THIS CONVERSATION WITH MISS AZANARAN IN SOME TIME FRAME.

A. OKAY.

Q. THE FIRST OF THE LAWSUITS BETWEEN MR. CORYDON AND HIS ASSOCIATES AND SCIENTOLOGY ENTITIES WAS COMMENCED AT THE VERY END OF 1982 --

A. IS THAT WHEN IT WAS?

Q. -- BY A GROUP CALLING ITSELF THE CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY MISSION OF RIVERSIDE AND CLAIMING TO BE THE CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY RIVERSIDE.

A. WITH THE CHURCH SUING THEM?

Q. SUING MR. CORYDON AND THE CHURCH OF SCIOLOGOS.

A. ALL RIGHT.

MR. HERTZBERG: IS THAT A QUESTION, OR ARE YOU TELLING HIM THAT NOW?

BY MS. PLEVIN:

Q. ARE YOU AWARE THAT A LAWSUIT WAS FILED?

A. NO.

Q. OKAY. DID YOU EVER BECOME AWARE THAT A LAWSUIT WAS FILED TO GAIN TITLE TO THE MISSION OF RIVERSIDE BUILDING, A BUILDING THAT HAD BEEN THE MISSION OF RIVERSIDE.

MR. DRESCHER: I'M GOING TO OBJECT; THAT'S VAGUE AND AMBIGUOUS, UNINTELLIGIBLE, LACKS FACTS. IT'S JUST INCOMPLETE AND UNINTELLIGIBLE.

MR. HERTZBERG: WHY DON'T YOU REPHRASE IT AND BE MORE SPECIFIC?

MS. PLEVIN: OKAY. LET'S GO BACK.

Q. BASED ON YOUR CONVERSATION WITH MS. AZANARAN, DID YOU SUGGEST TO HER TO TAKE ANY SPECIFIC ACTION?

A. NO.

Q. DID YOU ORDER HER TO TAKE ANY SPECIFIC ACTION?

A. NO, I DIDN'T.

Q. DID YOU CONTEMPLATE A LAWSUIT AGAINST MR. CORYDON AND HIS GROUP?

A. DID I?

Q. YES, YOU.

A. OF COURSE NOT.

Q. TO BE BROAD, A LAWSUIT -- DID YOU CONTEMPLATE A LAWSUIT TO BE BROUGHT ON BEHALF OF ANY SCIENTOLOGY CORPORATION OR ENTITY AGAINST MR. CORYDON --

A. NO.

Q. -- AND HIS GROUP?

A. NO.

Q. OKAY. THERE WAS -- ARE YOU AWARE -- JUST NOW WITH THAT BACKGROUND, ARE YOU AWARE THAT THERE WAS A LAWSUIT FILED AGAINST MR. CORYDON AND HIS GROUP FOR THE POSSESSION AND TITLE TO THE BUILDING THAT WAS THE MISSION OF RIVERSIDE?

MR. HERTZBERG: WE'RE BACK TO THE SAME PROBLEM. YOU SAY, "WITH THAT BACKGROUND." THE BACKGROUND WAS TWO QUESTIONS BY YOU TO WHICH MR. MISCAVIGE --

MS. PLEVIN: WHAT?

MR. HERTZBERG: -- ANSWERED, NO, HE DIDN'T ORDER THAT A LAWSUIT BE BROUGHT.

MS. PLEVIN: ALL RIGHT. STRIKE IT. GO AHEAD.

MR. HERTZBERG: OKAY.

MS. PLEVIN: OKAY.

Q. WERE YOU AT THAT TIME CONCERNED REGARDING THE POSSESSION AND OWNERSHIP OF THE BUILDING IN RIVERSIDE WHICH WAS THE MISSION OF RIVERSIDE BUILDING?

A. WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY "CONCERNED"?

MR. HERTZBERG: WELL --

THE WITNESS: "CONCERNED," WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?

BY MS. PLEVIN:

Q. WELL, MS. AZANARAN TOLD YOU MR. CORYDON HAD TRANSFERRED THAT TO HIS NAME.

A. UH-HUH.

Q. DID YOU CONSIDER AT THAT TIME DOING ANYTHING OR REQUESTING THAT ANYTHING BE DONE TO RECOVER THE POSSESSION OF THAT BUILDING FOR ANY SCIENTOLOGY ORGANIZATION?

MR. HERTZBERG: ALL RIGHT. INSOFAR AS -- OTHER THAN BRINGING A LAWSUIT WHICH HE ALREADY SAID HE DIDN'T CONSIDER THAT. SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, DID HE CONSIDER SOMETHING OTHER THAN A LAWSUIT WHICH HE DIDN'T CONSIDER BRINGING TO BE DONE; IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING?

MS. PLEVIN: I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT WAS THE PRIOR QUESTION, MR. HERTZBERG.

MR. HERTZBERG: IF YOU UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION, YOU CAN ANSWER IT.

THE WITNESS: I THINK I MIGHT. LET ME CLARIFY THIS. VICKI WAS TELLING ME ABOUT THIS. MS. PLEVIN: RIGHT.

THE WITNESS: I WASN'T TELLING HER.

MS. PLEVIN: RIGHT.

THE WITNESS: YOU ASKED IF I WAS CONCERNED. DEPENDING ON HOW YOU PUT THE DEFINITION, I GUESS I WAS CONCERNED BECAUSE -- WELL, IT WOULD BE LIKE ME WALKING UP TO YOU AND TELLING YOU SOMEBODY HAD STOLE MY CAR. EVEN THOUGH WE'RE NOT FRIENDS OR ANYTHING, YOU WOULD STILL BE CONCERNED THAT SOMEBODY STOLE MY CAR, OR AT LEAST I HOPE YOU WOULD. TO THAT DEGREE I WAS CONCERNED. DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION?

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