By Jesse Prince, Vice-President of the LMT
Stacy's essay about her perspective on Scientology auditing inspired me
to write something about auditing myself.
I spent sixteen years in the Sea Org. For twelve of those years I was
what they call a technical person, or techie. To be a techie in Scientology
means you are involved in auditing preclears, training auditors and course
supervisors, or correcting Scientologists who misapply L. Ron Hubbard's auditing tech. Other people in Scientology take care of the
administrative side of things. A techie does nothing but take care of the tech.
Through the course of twelve years I studied and participated in every
aspect of Scientology tech. Throughout that time there was only one thing that
remained constant: the tech changed all the time. It is the
ever-changing tech in Scientology that I want to write about today.
First of all, I'll tell you about my introduction to the tech.
Everything I'm going to say is based on my personal observations within Scientology and
the Sea Org from the years 1976-1992.
My auditing in Scientology started at the big blue Scientology complex
in Los Angeles, the complex that used to be Cedars of Lebanon Hospital before
Scientology bought it. . This was back in 1976. At that time I had been
in Scientology for less than four months and I didn't like it. So I told a
guy named Wayne Marple that I wanted to leave Scientology and the Sea Org.
was a member of the Commodore's Messenger Org, or CMO, which meant it
was like talking directly to LRH himself when you talked to Wayne. I was only
twenty-two, and I sure didn't know anything about how the CMO or the Sea
Now you have to understand that what I didn't know at the time was this:
Wayne Marple was in charge of renovating the entire complex of buildings that
Scientology had just purchased for cash. He needed a huge construction
crew, and he wasn't about to let anyone go once he had his hands on them. That
Within minutes of my announcement, I was hauled away by no less than
five Sea Org guys, all RPFers, who locked me in a room. They told me the only way
I would be allowed to leave Scientology or the Sea Org was via the Rehabilitation Project Force - the RPF. I thought this was a joke. There
was no way I could be held prisoner by these people I hardly knew. My first
thought was to escape and run to the police. But I couldn't get away. I
was physically hauled off to the RPF and there was nothing I could do. I was
a little skinny kid back then. These were big, strong, crazy guys who took
me away and I was scared of them.
As the days and weeks went by I came to feel there was no escape for me.
I was under guard day and night, locked in a room on the seventh floor of the
building known as Lebanon Hall, writing up O/Ws under orders of Wayne
Marple. Being just barely twenty-two, I started to freak out. I told my captors
I just wanted to go home. I begged them to please just let me leave. But these
RPFers just laughed. They told me I had to do the RPF auditing program to get
out and the sooner I started it the sooner I'd get out. I tried to explain to
them that I didn't want auditing or Scientology at all, that it was not for
me, but to no avail. Emotional trauma aside, I decided I had to start doing
something to get out and if that something was auditing, then I'd better get
That was how I got started on the Bridge to Total Freedom.
In less than three months I didn't have to be watched any more. I no
longer felt terrified at being held captive. Now they allowed me to be part of
the construction crew to renovate the Complex. I was in a dorm with seven
other guys, in the tunnels under the buildings. There were no lights down
there except in the halls, so when they turned the lights off at night it was
pitch black. I knew my family and friends were wondering why they didn't see
or hear from me any more, but I didn't much care. I was on a new program.
Everything I had thought about life was changing. I just felt emotionally numb.
As I said, my first perception of auditing was that it was something I
had to do to get out of the situation I was in. I didn't feel like I needed
"therapy" or "training." I never considered that auditing was something
I personally needed, but something was happening to me mentally because I resisted
Scientology less and less. Stacy's conclusions about what can
happen to a person as a result of auditing -- false memory, mental conditioning,
irresponsibility - that was what the lower levels of auditing were all
about for me.
After eighteen months, I was allowed to graduate from the RPF. This was because the renovations of the Complex were finished, so a CMO mission
fired into the RPF to get us all off of it and get us posted in the orgs.
While I was in the RPF, my idea had been to learn as much as I could about the
tech as quickly as possible because I had it in my head that that was how I
could get out of there. So I learned all about the tech and held technical
while I was in the RPF. Because of this, the mission decided to put me
on a tech post when I got off the RPF. That was how I started on the road to
being a techie for as long as I was in Scientology.
A new organization had just been formed to get staff up the Bridge. When
two people audit each other while they are learning how to audit it is
called co-auditing. That is how people get their auditing on the RPF, so I had
a lot of experience with co-auditing by then. The Los Angeles area was known
in the Sea Org (and still is, by the way) as Pacific Area Command, or PAC. So
this new org was called the PAC Co-Audit Org. I was posted as a co-audit
supervisor. I finished my Grades auditing while I was working in
Co-Audit Org, and in 1978 I attested to Dianetic Clear.
Immediately I went over to the Advanced Organization in Los Angeles,
AOLA, to start my OT levels. Prior to Scientology, I had a real thirst to
understand more about the spiritual aspects of life. I wanted to know if it was
really possible for a person to be able to leave their body and do "soul
As a result of my study of Hubbard's work, I thought maybe there were
answers to my questions in Scientology. I thought I would find these answers on
the OT levels.
Before I go on, I feel it is important to relate a story to you so
understand why I was in such a hurry to get onto my OT levels.
I had a dear friend in Scientology. Out of respect for his privacy I
won't say his name. I'll just call him Tom. We had gotten into the Sea Org at the
same time and we were good friends. His mother was not on staff. She was on
lines at AOLA as a public Scientologist. I enjoyed meeting with Tom and his
mother because she always carried a copy or two of the Advance Magazine, which
is a publication about the OT services at AOLA. Tom's mother would tell us
about her new "abilities" resulting from auditing on the OT levels.
She would tell us how she was able to move objects with her mind alone, influence
others with non-verbal thought as well as leaving her body and experiencing
realities outside of the normal earth experience.
Tom and I just couldn't wait for the next Advance Magazine to come out
to read about how AOLA was making these OTs with these incredible abilities.
Tom's mother was a very caring and mild-mannered person and I revered her.
Looking back on it, Tom's mother influenced me to "keep going up the
bridge" so that I would one day become OT like she was. It became easier for me to
disappointment in Scientology auditing because here was at least one
person that I knew who had achieved a "higher consciousness and
ability" because of the OT levels. She gave me hope that I would one day achieve these
abilities myself. She had also explained to me and Tom that she was taking a great
risk in telling us her OT abilities because Scientologists are not allowed to
talk about their auditing or sessions except to their auditor and case
and we knew that.
I remember one day in particular. Tom came running over to see me, all excited. He said he met his mother for dinner at the Celebrity Centre,
and she was feeling kind of spaced out so he took her for a walk. As they
approached a tranquil, wooded area, they stopped for a moment. His mother looked up
at the trees and pointed to a small branch on one of the trees. This little
was moving, ever so slightly, and she told Tom that she was making that
little branch move with her mind.
Tom was so excited about this that he had to tell me right away, and it
made me very hopeful that I would be able to do that kind of thing myself
when I got onto my OT levels.
In the summer of 1978 I started on OT 1. These were the old OT levels,
because the new OT levels didn't come out until 1979.
OT 1 involved going out in the streets and noticing things, from what I
can remember. This in itself was disappointing to me, as I had already gone
through this "noticing things" -- many senseless things - when
I did "objective processes" in the RPF.
An example of objective processing is a process called "Operating
Procedure by Duplication." Op Pro by Dup for short. The exact procedure for Op
Pro by Dup is to have two tables about 10 feet away from each other. The auditor
places a book on one table and a bottle - like a Coke bottle or whatever -- on
the other. The auditor and preclear stand close to each other and the
auditor gives commands to the preclear. The commands, as I recall them, are:
"Look at that book. Good. Walk over to that book. Good. Pick it up.
Good. What is its color? Good. What is its weight? Good. What is its temperature?
Good. Put the book down in the exact same place. Good. Look at that bottle.
Good. Walk over to it. Good. Pick it up. Good. What is its color? Good. What
is its weight? Good. What is its temperature? Good. Put it down in exactly the
This is done over and over. The commands are enforced by the auditor,
even if the auditor has to drag the preclear's unconscious body back and forth
making him execute the commands. On the RPF, everybody had to do this Op Pro by
Dup for a minimum of 25 hours. This is done to condition the preclear to
accept control, with or without the pre-clear's cooperation.
We all did this in one big room, so I had a chance to see bottles
getting smashed and books being ripped up when people got sick and tired
of doing this. But there were plenty more bottles and books available to get them
through the process.
Op Pro by Dup is just one example of an objective process. There are a
lot of others, like the one where the auditor sits in a chair facing the
preclear and says, "Give me that hand. Thank you. Give me that hand. Thank you.
Give me that hand. Thank you," for hours until the preclear has some kind
of cognition. There is another one where the auditor tells the preclear to
look at different things in the environment. It goes like this: "Look at
that tree. Thank you. Look at that flagpole. Thank you. Look at that power line.
Thank you. Look at that bird. Thank you." On and on. Needless to
say, I had had enough of these objective processes on the RPF. I didn't want any more
on OT 1.
But when my supervisor at AOLA sent me out on the streets to do OT 1 she
told me not to get into it too much. She said people usually finished it in
one to two solo sessions. She was right. I was bored with OT 1 before I walked
out the door but I did suffer through a couple of sessions to look good. I
forget what new "OT ability" I was required to attest to for old OT
1. As I recall it had something to do with getting reoriented to the physical universe now
that I was Clear. As I said earlier, OT 1 was senseless and boring.
OT 2 was senseless, but not boring. OT 2 is a series of
"implants" that contained "dichotomies" as part of the implants. One
definition of an implant is "an unwilling and unknowing receipt of a thought or the
intentional installation of fixed ideas." (This definition is eerily similar to
what I experienced when I first made it known that I wanted to leave
Scientology.) Dichotomies are defined as pairs of opposites, like dark and light, good
and bad, hot and cold, things like that.
The instructions for running OT 2 were to get the idea of the
dichotomies over and over while running out the implants, and this was supposed to
produce E-meter reads. I don't remember all of the "implants"
associated with OT 2. I only "ran out" two "implants" before I was allowed
to attest to OT 2. I will describe them as best I can from memory. The first implant was called
the "electrical Implant." I was supposed to imagine an electrical
through my body while I read through the dichotomies, like this:
"hot, hot, hot, hot, hot, hot, hot..." You keep thinking that word as long as
you're getting reads on the meter. Then you say, "cold, cold, cold, cold,
cold, cold..." until that doesn't read any more. Then you say them
together: "hot, cold, hot, cold, hot, cold.." until you don't get any more reads on
that. At the same time I had to imagine an electrical force going through my body
as I experienced these dichotomies.
The next implant was called "Tocky." On this one I had to get
E-meter reads on the dichotomies while imagining a sun swinging from east to west. I
remember becoming extremely disoriented and confused while attempting to imagine
all of these things. It got so bad at one point I had to take a break because I
thought I was going to throw up my lunch. I also got a very bad headache
ended up doing a "correction list" on myself to find my
Again, OT 2 was a huge disappointment, but I just kept on smiling. I was
sent to the examiner to attest to OT 2. The ability gained on OT 2 was
"freedom from whole track incidents." This was supposed to be a whole new
level of OT ability that I had achieved in Scientology. All of this was leading up
to the crown jewel of all of Scientology, the dreaded Wall of Fire, OT 3.
After attesting to "OT 2" I immediately routed on to the OT 3
course and I was so excited. Now the end would justify the means. All of the degradation
of the RPF and the staff experience itself would prove to be worth what I was
about to receive. With my heart racing, I got my OT 3 pack and quietly sat
down to get my fair share of OT abilities. It was less than a half hour before
the lunch break when I got to the Xenu story. As I read the Xenu story a
dread overcame me. I couldn't fathom how the Xenu story was going to
make me into an OT and I became furious with myself and everyone else around me.
The lunch bell rang in the classroom and I was out the door, not to be seen
or heard from in that course room again for weeks.
When I "blew" the course room I started calling my family
again to see if there was any way they would have me back. I asked my father about
different job opportunities in his area. I considered using an academic
scholarship I had received to go to the University of Louisiana to get a real
education. So many things went through my mind. Well, finally the ethics officer and
the course supervisor came and rounded me up. They sat with me in the course
and would not let me leave. I was told I needed to start auditing on OT
3 immediately or risk sickness or even death.
I was put full time in the OT 3 course room until I
"understood" the material and was able to audit it. I can't say what happened to my mind after
starting OT 3 but in no time I was "locating" and "blowing"
body thetans. Within the Sea Org and Scientology, there is a certain "status" given to
those who are on or have completed OT levels. Scientologists gather around and clap like
crazy for people who are OT. Much more is expected of an OT; they don't have
emotions and they are expected to be able to do just about anything. OTs
are encouraged to use their OT abilities and it used to be a crime in
Scientology to invalidate an OT. I soon learned that even if nothing is happening in
your OT auditing, at least you have the status of being OT, which means
you're special to the group. As an OT I thought I would be treated special.
Just like in the earlier auditing, something took over and my attitude changed
OT levels. I just had to put my nose to the grindstone and continue. The
group agreement seemed to make it tolerable.
OT 4 was a rehash of the Clearing Course. It was required that I
"mock up" the bank again and again, only to make it disappear over and over and over.
When I attested to OT 4, I had the sensation of having been on a Ferris wheel
for a week straight.
OT 5 was similar to OT 1 in that I found myself in the street again
putting "thoughts" in people, plants and animals.
OT 6 was way different from any other OT level I'd done so far. On this
level I was required to lie on a bed with my head pointed magnetic north and
meditate until I floated out of my body. Now this is what I came for! I
tried doing this over and over. Per the LRH written instruction, I was to
leave my body, go to a foreign country and get a stranger to mail me a post card.
Once I produced the post card I would be allowed to attest to OT 6.
After much effort I couldn't float out of my body at all. I never even
made it out of the auditing room and soon lost interest in the level altogether.
According to the OT 6 material, if a person is not able to leave the
body its because they have "fleas" or more body thetans. So I was on a
treadmill of looking for more BTs and trying to float out of my head and go to
Just as I was beginning to accept the miserable reality that I could
never finish OT 6, the tech changed! Hubbard had discovered a Ridge on the
Bridge, and he had solved it by coming up with New Era Dianetics for OTs, or
The old OT levels were canceled and replaced with new OT levels. NOTs
handled BTs that had been comatose for centuries, perhaps even millions of
years. By asking a BT What are you? Who are you? they would wake up and blow.
This change had a profound effect on Scientology income, because all of
the earlier "failed" OTs now had something else to spend their
money on, and they did in droves.
OT levels1-3 stayed the same, but OT levels 4-7 changed completely. The
new OT levels 4-7 dealt exclusively with getting rid of comatose BTs. Come to
find out, these BTs made up what most people perceive as the physical
universe around us. All BTs had to be gotten rid of before any OT could stabilize
and realize their true abilities. This new discovery by Hubbard explained
all earlier failures in making OT's!
A new NOTs course was issued, and a mad panic ensued to train auditors
and case supervisors to deliver the new OT levels internationally. I was
sent down to Flag to be one of the people that trained the auditors and case
supervisors, and this was a very daunting task. David Mayo was the
person who introduced NOTs to everyone, and he was traveling back and forth from
Int (Gilman Hot Springs) to Flag (Clearwater) every month. He would instruct
train the students to audit in a certain way, but then when he came back
the next month to check on how everyone was doing, it would all change.
Every time David came the "tech" changed, so what an auditor learned in
March would change by April.
I had a lot of trouble training the NOTs auditors. Some auditors
grumbled that Mayo was making up the NOTs tech as he went along. Others were upset
because they thought Mayo had a hidden data line to LRH. In Scientology, a
"hidden data line" means someone is getting info from LRH that isn't
written in a policy, bulletin or tape. In fact, as I would learn when I was promoted
to RTC three years later, Mayo was making it up as he went along because he was
the main author of the NOTs tech. It was also true that he had a hidden data
line to LRH because Mayo had been auditing LRH on NOTs before anyone else
knew anything about it. Mayo's name was on every bulletin concerning
and rightly so, because he wrote the bulletins.
Later, in 1982, LRH got the idea that Mayo was sympathetic to the
mission holders, who were trying to take over Scientology, or so LRH thought. So
LRH ordered that Mayo be taken off post as Senior Case Supervisor
International - Senior C/S Int, that is. He ordered him and all the Senior C/S Int staff
onto the Running Program, had them all labeled security risks, and finally
had them all declared Suppressive. (Mayo opened his own auditing center, known as
Advanced Ability Center, in Santa Barbara after he was booted out by LRH.
I was one of the people in charge of sending plants into the AAC to make
sure it was totally destroyed, and we succeeded in destroying Mayo and his
RTC brought a RICO suit against Mayo, because he had AAC centers all
over the world and Mayo's centers were making a lot more money than the
Scientology orgs were. The RICO charges were based on the idea that Mayo had stolen
the NOTs materials. Mayo's defense was that he had been the primary author
of the materials anyway. The suit went on and on, and it was becoming clear
was going to win the suit. So finally RTC offered Mayo a hefty
settlement in return for keeping his mouth closed about being the main author of the
NOTs materials. The last I heard of Mayo, he was driving a Ferrari.
In September 1982 I was ordered to go to Gilman Hot Springs, aka Gold,
aka the home of International Management including RTC, CMO Int and WDC, to get Int
management corrected on their application of LRH administrative and
auditing tech. David Miscavige, who by then was the head of Scientology, studied
personnel information and approved me for the job. (I've written
extensively about "Gilman Hot Springs" before. If you want to see these
earlier writings go to Charlotte Cates' web site at www.offlines.org).
After I got to Int, the tech changed radically and often, depending upon
the whim of the moment. Here are some of the changes I remember:
1. LRH himself threw out the Auditor's Code when a person was being
security checked. I know this to be true because LRH sent the order directly to
me. He told me that when someone was suspected of being a security risk, I
should forget about making sure they had enough to eat or enough sleep before
starting the security check. LRH himself ordered me to sec check Mayo
when he had little to no sleep. Another important part of the Auditor's Code was
cancelled by LRH went it came to security checking - I was ordered to
for the people I sec checked. There were a long list of people who were
in ethics trouble with Mayo, including Kerry Gleason, Peter Warren, John
Axel, Julie Gillespie, Merrill Mayo, John Nelson, and others. LRH sent down
orders telling me what their crimes were and ordering me to get them to
confess. I was the one who had to do the sec checks on all of these people. I would
sit there and tell them, for example, "OK, I know you've been taking
mission holders. Now tell me about it." And I was to keep at it
with them until they confessed how much they had taken in bribes. This kind of
evaluative, confrontational sec checking began with LRH orders to me in
1982 and has continued ever since, as far as I know. I do know for sure that
this kind of security checking was used on Stacy Brooks and Vaughn Young,
because they have told me about their experiences.
2. In 1986, Miscavige was in negotiations with the IRS and the IRS
people were telling him they hated the offensive language about the IRS in certain
policies. So Miscavige told them, no problem, he would have those
offensive passages deleted from the policies. That was why certain LRH policies
were altered. It was to please the IRS and get tax exemption. I don't know if
LRH knew about these alterations or not. I tend to doubt it since he died in
3. Starting in 1982, the policies on ethics or justice recourse were
virtually cancelled. As an example, at the 1982 San Francisco Mission Holders'
meeting, any mission holder who did not instantly agree to comply with the orders
he was given by Miscavige or any of the Finance Police was declared a
Suppressive on the spot. No Committee of Evidence, no recourse at all. When I fired
on mission to Flag with Miscavige, Vicki Aznaran, Mark Yager, Mark Ingber,
Wendell Reynolds to find out what was going on in the Flag Service Org
because stats were down, we declared public and staff on the spot. Wayne Marple
was declared like that. So was Ken Urquhardt, a Class 12 auditor. This kind
of heavy ethics with no recourse is continuing to this day, as evidenced by
reports like the one posted by Mike McClaughry, who was declared for
pointing out that six-month sec checks on OT 7s are off policy.
4. In 1983 LRH sent me an order in which he said he was tired of hearing
about people being PTS (meaning Potential Trouble Source). He said people were
only pretending to be PTS to hide their crimes. This is where Pretended PTS
comes from. This is how the False Purpose Rundown was born. I was the pilot
auditor for the FPRD, and, again, sleep and food were not prerequisites for this
5. LRH also sent me an order telling me that no matter where a person
was on the Bridge, they could be pulled off their auditing if they weren't
moving fast enough and put on the False Purpose Rundown. This effectively
cancelled the Non-Interference Zone, which is the main subject of C/S Series 73,
the bulletin Virginia McClaughry cited as being violated by the six-month
sec checks on OT 7s. But this bulletin was effectively cancelled by LRH
when he sent the orders down to Senior C/S Int Ray Mithoff and me about
the FPRD. This is where it started. All of these actions were taken to
increase income. It is the same with the six-month checks. They are an income
source for Flag. The senior concern is income; the tech and the well being of
the preclear are secondary.
But I want to make sure it is clear that this whole idea came from LRH,
not from Miscavige. Miscavige is continuing to carry out LRH's orders as
well as he knows how. But make no mistake about it: Miscavige is doing his best
to forward Command Intention, which is contained in the huge LRH orders
data base of the INCOMM computer system of Scientology. The LRH orders database is
hidden data line that no one knows about outside of Int management. And
it is these orders that Miscavige and his people are operating on.
When I got to Int in 1982 there was an extreme amount of paranoia.
Everyone was constantly looking for plants, dupes, FBI agents, you name it, and
all of this was a reflection of Hubbard's own mental state, without any
question or doubt.
I discovered that it was coming from Hubbard when I learned about the
orders that were pouring in from him. It worked like this: Hubbard would
talk/rant into a Dictaphone and fill up many cassettes, which were then
transported by Pat Broeker (who lived with Hubbard in Creston, where he was in hiding)
to David Miscavige. The two of them would meet on Friday nights somewhere
between Creston and Los Angeles to make the switch. Miscavige would give Broeker
all the reports for the past week, and Broeker would give Miscavige all the
orders for the new week in cassette form. Miscavige turned the tapes over to
Susie Bennick, who ran the unit that did the transcribing. She and her little
transcribers would type out all the orders and then they would get
distributed to all the recipients - at ASI, RTC, CMO Int, Exec Strata, and Gold.
More often than not these transcribed orders from Hubbard conflicted
with existing policy written by Hubbard himself. Hubbard was very upset with
the fact that he could no longer order into any Scientology organization at
will. Miscavige told Hubbard that Scientology would never get tax-exempt
status as long as he managed Orgs. So instead of issuing orders, Hubbard started
"advice." All the orders in the LRH orders database are called
"advices," because Hubbard wasn't supposed to give orders any more.
There is a unit located at Gold called R (for LRH) Technical Research
and Compilations Unit - RTRC -- that does nothing but revise existing tech
and policy in an effort to reconcile all of these advices with the bulletins
and policy letters that Hubbard wrote. This may explain why Hubbard is still
issuing tech and policy long after his death.
There is just one more thing I want to talk about.
In an earlier post (which can be found on Charlotte
Kates' website) I have already written about at least two versions of OT 8 being released, so I
won't repeat it here. Today, I understand Scientology has suspended delivery
of OT 8 until people "honestly" complete OT 7, meaning, I guess, that
they get rid of all their BTs.
Looking for more BTs is one of the few principles of Scientology tech
that seems to be consistent throughout the years.
I have gone up the Bridge to Total Freedom at least twice - by way of
the old OT levels in 1978, and then by way of the new ones from 1979 through
1991, when I attested to OT 7. On the day I attested to the new OT 7 in 1991 I
was at Int in Gilman Hot Springs. There were a least 150 people standing
around clapping for me. I was no longer an executive in the Sea Org. I had been
busted and sent to the RPF in 1987 when Pat and Annie Broeker tried to
take over Scientology and were both completely broken by David Miscavige.
Miscavige considered me an enemy because I refused to help him bust the Broekers.
So by 1991 when I attested to OT 7 I was reduced to making video copies of
International management events. Before I was busted, I used to be one
of the speakers at these events.
Looking back at it now, I realize how pathetic all of this was. Here I
was supposed to be attesting to being at cause over Matter, Energy, Space
and Time, and all I was good for was dubbing videocassettes. My OT abilities
were really shining through! Everyone was clapping for me!
Later that night, there was a power failure at Gold and security guards informed us that there was a possible intruder on the base. About 200
staff were made to stand outside in a parking lot huddled close together in
the dark while security looked for the intruder. I was so powerful as an OT that
night that I got to hide in the dark with others who were just as OT as I was!
Since leaving Scientology, I have found out that my friend Tom and his
mother both gave up and left Scientology almost 10 years ago.
Words do not adequately express the pain and hard work I've been through
to get my mind back since I left Scientology. Be that as it may, I am
living proof that at least some measure of recovery is possible. But here is
one thing I know for sure: There are no OTs in Scientology. There never have
been and never will be. There is endless BT hunting, but I can give you a hot
tip on this as well:
There are no BTs either.
- Jesse Prince