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But a woman being followed by a man. That’s meant to
inflame you. That’s what it is meant for. It is not an
accurate analogy. That’s why that was used, exactly why
that was used. They all know each other videotapes.
You’ve seen they were videotaping each other back and
forth.

Mr. de Vlaming said that both his witness,
Mr. Minton and Mr. Oliver have no quarrel with the
Scientologists, then why the name calling? Why the laser
in the face? Why are they doing that? If according to
Mr. Minton they don’t any better, they don’t know they
are slaves, why mess with them? Why mess with those
people?

Mr. Oliver, you can judge his credibility,
he was out there playing games, too. You saw him with
the laser light. He didn’t really remember that, but
yeah, that was him with the little laser pen right in
somebody’s eye. He doesn’t think that is a provocative
thing to do. Right in somebody’s eye, putting that laser
dot right there.

You can consider that when you judge Mr.
Oliver’s credibility. Does Mr. Oliver have a grudge
against Scientology, oh, yeah. Does he have a grudge
against them, yeah. Should he, I don’t know. That was
eight years ago.