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Q Is one of those interests somewhat the subject
of what this trial has at least revolved around?

A Yes, a couple of years after I retired I did --
the Church of Scientology’s actions on the Internet were
brought to my attention and it has been since that time a
fairly consuming part of my activities.

Q By consuming part of your activities, has it
taken you literally around the world?

A Yes, not only around the world, but
particularly here in the United States I have traveled
all over the country and met former Scientologists,
former high ranking Scientologists. I am currently in
dialogue with large numbers of current Scientologists.
I’ve been to Europe, to Germany as guest of the German
government to discuss how their view, and out views here
in the United States coincide and to learn from t1~
experience, because they have had a lot more experience
dealing with Scientology under their democratic form of
government than we have.

Q Mr. Tyson made a comment in his opening that
you do not like Scientologists. Is that accurate?

A It’s not accurate. There a number of people at
the top of Church of Scientology who I believe are
directing the abusive and deceptive practices of
Scientology. And you know, I am not particularly