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A It could be something small, it could be
something within in group of individuals. It wouldn’t
necessarily be a -- we wouldn’t have fifty people
drilling on something. Normally, it is something that
would happen within an academy, a teaching setting, if
you will. It would be for smaller groups.

Q Was this constantly going on?

Q So you learned specifically from the directors
in OSA how to trick?

A We learned several different techniques. They
teach you things, and they have names for them. For
example, if they wanted me to go in somewhere and
impersonate someone, or say that I was someone that I
wasn’t, that’s called a suitable guise. And they
actually showed you how to do a suitable guise. How to
go in and say that you are somebody else. Or how to ask
a question without them thinking that you are really
digging for information on someone.

Q You also mentioned that one of your duties
while you were in OSA is to carry out investigations.
Would you tell us a little bit about that?

A Anyone identified by the organization as an
enemy the first action that is taken is intelligence
gathering. That’s used -- there are different methods