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they had documents telling you the legal methods to
investigate?

A Correct.

Q Okay. And the illegal methods were told you
verbally by a senior person?

Q So there is nothing in writing on the illegal
methods?

A No, nothing in writing, but there is plenty of
documentation to substantiate it.

Q Okay. It’s fair to say that it would be some
rogue supervisor who wants to get ahead in the
organization having you do illegal activities, wouldn’t
it be fair to say?

A No, I don’t think that would be fair say at
all, sir. There are too many people in the chain of
command that see all the data that is gathered. Even the
attorneys.

Q It also begs the questions, you had no problem
performing illegal activities, did you?

A I never performed an illegal activity when I
was a member of the Church of Scientology.

Q You did not?

A No, sir, I did not.

Q You said that your position in Scientology is