Encounter with Hans Bschorr - 8/18/00
afternoon, I made a quick run into the bank and spotted my friend
Hans. Hans is one of the German Scientologists in Clearwater who
has been picketing the LMT since Ursula's trip. This is the
second time I've run into Hans and we have always been cordial.
I was waiting for the teller when I spotted him and shouted
"Hans!" He looked around and, spotting me, he smiled.
We shook hands and I told him it was nice seeing him at the City
Council Meeting last night. He said, "We should talk,"
so I waited for him to finish his business.
When he was done we wandered outside and had a conversation for ten
minutes or so. I started by saying perhaps Mary and he should
have mentioned that the Religious Freedom Foundation they spoke of at
last night's meeting was a Scientology group. He said "Yes,
Mary discussed doing that. She must have just forgot."
I suggested that by not saying up front that it is a Scientology
group, some might believe it was a case of fraud. Hans could see
how that might be true. He was unaware that Scientology came to
Clearwater under the phony name of United Churches. This
deception angered a lot of citizens of Clearwater and caused much of
the distrust of Scientology ever since.
Hans told me that Scientology is well thought of in Clearwater.
I asked if he knew about Operation Normandy and he told me he was
aware of it. "It's ancient history," he said.
That seems to be the party line as I hear that a lot around here.
"Scientology doesn't do that anymore." I brought up
the 1997 Canadian criminal charge and he refused to believe it was
Nor would he believe that Scientology tried to destroy Gabe Cazares.
I offered the full story of how Gabe's attorney turned out to be a
Scientologist who was later disbarred and he called these lies.
I offered to have him come with me to the trust and I would show him
ALL the documentation but he refused to come.
Hans wanted to tell me about Ursula and what a fascist and nazi she
is...how Ursula has destroyed many lives. Hans says he lost
everything after a newspaper story mentioned he was a Scientologist.
He told me how he was a journalist who covered the refugees coming
from East Germany. I've heard stories about his status as a
journalist but I didn't mention them to him because I have not seen
the evidence yet. I like to know both sides of any story.
He said Ursula is tapping phones of Scientologists and having them
followed. I asked him how he and the other Scientologists knew what
flight Ursula was on when they met her at the airport? Didn't
they tap a phone or get that info in some other illegal manner?
This set him back a moment.
"We just knew," he said.
"How? How did you just know which flight at what
"Well, it was on the internet," he explained.
"The fact that she was speaking on Tuesday was on the net but not
when she was arriving and on what flight." I explained how
Scientology's Office of Special Affairs does all the things he's
accusing Ursula of but he wouldn't listen to it. He refused to
believe Scientology would do anything illegal because they have policy
against that. "The only criminal around here is Minton who
is a money launderer," he told me.
I went through the whole Nigeria deal and how David Lebow/David
Lee/Robert Clark is the Scientologist PI behind the whole Nigerian
scandal and how the Nigerian Senate cleared Bob and how Bob attended
the debate but Fashanu and David Lee didn't show up. Again, he
claimed I was lying.
In fact, Hans wouldn't even believe that Jeff wrote his own speech
last night. He was convinced Jeff was paid to get up there and
spout the words of someone else. Who, Hans didn't say but he was
convinced Jeff was just a puppet and wasn't behind that speech.
He came back to Ursula and how I brought this woman to Clearwater.
I asked him if Ursula was behind the troubles Scientology was having
in Belgium or Spain or in France where they are calling for the
dissolution of Scientology altogether. He had no answer for
I told him that we are not against his religious rights but that
Scientology has to start behaving like a church and not like the
Mafia...then they'd have no problems at all. He continued
to doubt my facts and I offered again to have him come to the Trust
and look at all the documents but he wouldn't. He got in his car
What is so wrong with looking at both sides? Why not check out
the facts for yourself? Knowing the truth will not affect your
wins. In fact, getting Scientology to reform and behave like a
real church will do what a sham front group like the Religious Freedom
Foundation will never be able to do...gain your group some respect.
I urge anyone who wishes total freedom to seek out the truth.
There is no bridge to truth. There is only a roadblock.
You create that roadblock yourself when you refuse to look and listen
and think. True freedom is the willingness to look at both sides
and then choose.
Anyone who wishes to view the documentation of the cases I've cited is
welcome to come by the Trust.
P.S. Hans told me that Mary DeMoss feels that I am harassing her.
I apologize if this is the case.
and Depos General